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Started by Robert5, September 08, 2020, 03:36:17 PM

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Robert5

Ok..sunny day today.

Drove car straight out driveway and made right onto the street. This was possible because car was backed in.

And no resistance was noticed. Not sure what that indicates.....but I like it.

So, it is backed in again.

Wheel cylinders for right front are ordered and will go on anyway.
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Robert5

Quote from: 28 Ply.cpe on September 10, 2020, 09:10:53 PM
If you have time while it is sitting in the drive, block the rear wheels and jack up that front right side and try to shake the tire from side to side and top to bottom just to see if something is too loose. Other than that I would just check the brake shoes on that side which involve removing the cotter pin and nut and pulling the drum with the outer wheel bearings. Just check the shoes and the two return springs. I had one broken return spring on top which just rusted away from sitting. Make sure the two wheel cylinders on that front wheel are not leaking.  I am not sure if you have two wheel cylinders or not. My 49 has two per front wheel. Just curious if the problem is in the wheel area.
Everything you mentioned has been checked and all seem ok.
But......I don't trust the wheel cylinders and yes there are 2. Not leaking. But if they were made a little off.....perhaps the piston in them gets a bit out of kilter with all the steering girations, I dunno. I order 2 wheel cylinders and gonna replace them....can't hurt.
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28 Ply.cpe

If you have time while it is sitting in the drive, block the rear wheels and jack up that front right side and try to shake the tire from side to side and top to bottom just to see if something is too loose. Other than that I would just check the brake shoes on that side which involve removing the cotter pin and nut and pulling the drum with the outer wheel bearings. Just check the shoes and the two return springs. I had one broken return spring on top which just rusted away from sitting. Make sure the two wheel cylinders on that front wheel are not leaking.  I am not sure if you have two wheel cylinders or not. My 49 has two per front wheel. Just curious if the problem is in the wheel area.
1928 Model Q Business Coupe
1949 P-18 Special Deluxe 4 door
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Robert5


First thanks to everyone who has responded so far. Appreciate all your thoughts and suggestions.



Now on to my report.  I Drove up and down driveway several times before starting to back out and into street to drive. Seemed to have no effect.

When I did back out of driveway, drop her into first and turn wheel hard left to go down my street, I felt the resistance. Rather than try to overpower the resistance this time I put it back into reverse and turn steering back to the right and back up just a little more. Then back into first and turning hard left again, resistance gone and car moved forward happily. Hmm.

OK....drive a mile or so.....no further issues as is always the case. I pull into a church parking lot. Try to duplicate the problem by doing the exact movements several times.......no problem at all. Cannot duplicate problem.

Once it disappears....it's not coming back that day.

Completed my little cruise, including fueling up.

When I got back home I backed into the driveway as suggested and left car is reverse (as driveway is pitched slightly towards the street ).

It will sit now for anywhere from 2-5 days depending on the weather.

My conclusions so far are must not be the rear because trying warm rear and gear oil had no effect. I feel the issue is in the right front wheel/ brake area. And once it goes away......it will definitely not happen again that day. Next time out we will see if driving straight out and turning right to go forward causes a problem or not. To be continued..........
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28 Ply.cpe

Does the road at the end of your driveway go both directions. Try backing out and turn the wheel all the way to the left this time and see what results. I would have someone near by if it does stick and ask them if they can hear the noise and where about the sound comes from when it does release.  Also , have you tried backing in and just driving out to see if the problem occurs also. These are just a couple things that I would do.  Then from there I would just try to hunt down the problem. It is odd that it does not happen the rest of the drive till you get home. Do you stop anywhere and back out  to see if it happens then. Or just after it sits for a week does it happen. Just trying to diagnose. I have a 49 . It might happen to me some day.
1928 Model Q Business Coupe
1949 P-18 Special Deluxe 4 door
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Go Fleiter

Well, You don´t expect more than a guess...?
If brakes are ok,engine is working fine, only a problem in the powertrain seeems to be probable.
A steering problem would not impede moving, only moving in the disired direction..

The list can follow the order of easyness:

Wheelbearings
differential
propellershaft universals
transmission / OD

or You may check in order of usual suspects.

You may check freeness of all these by hand on jacked up car and try to feel obstructions.

Clutch is more difficult to check without taking it out.

I can immagine a pair of worn teeth colliding in one special line-up.
However, it would be improbable, that this condition happens repeatedly at the same place
leaving Your driveway. You checked the side walk paving slabs: no one sinks while loaded...


If these field tests don´t result in a more specific suspicion,
You may have to inspect all.

Good Luck!
Go

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Robert5


On what the cause of this issue might be?



My '51 Cambridge sits usually 1 week. It is parked (in season) in my driveway. It is left in second gear, no E- brake on.

I fires it up and I back of my driveway (approx.) 30ft. I turn my steering wheel all the way to the right as I reach the end of the driveway and enter the street. Come to a stop, shift into 1st and begin to turn the steering to the left and  attempt to move forward. At this point there is some kind of lock up. Car does not want to travel forward. I can usually over power whatever is the lock up and you can hear something release and the car goes forward. Once I can get that to occurr, the problem disappears and it does not happen again the rest of the day.

Now today one other odd thing happened. When it locked up, I stalled it trying to over power the lock up......and when I restarted the car, the lock up was completely gone and the car went freely down the road.

The brakes were checked all around....all perfect.....shoes, wheel cylinders, springs all working as they should. Front wheel bearings all removed grease repacked -- all good.

Any thoughts?
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