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General Category => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: Noni Saboia on June 24, 2021, 11:35:12 AM

Title: Original paint color
Post by: Noni Saboia on June 24, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
Hi!

I am restoring in Brazil a 1937 Plymouth Sedan 4 door, which I got from my father years ago. The vehicle is painted red, but I found out that red was not a option in the original color chart.

How could I figure out the original factory color? The body number is 905-X-10039 BRIGGSMFG.CO.DETROIT.MICH.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: TodFitch on June 24, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
Unfortunately the body number does not help.

For North American assembled cars you could contact the Chrysler Historical Collection for a copy of the "build card" using the serial number. The serial number should be on the front right door hinge post. But I there are some issues:
All this to say that you may have to resort to carefully removing the paint, layer by layer, until you get to the factory color to see what it originally was.

For 1937 and later the engine compartment firewall paint should have been the body color. (For 1935 and earlier the firewall was black regardless of body color, not sure about 1936.)
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: Noni Saboia on June 25, 2021, 09:02:30 PM
Thank you very much, TodFitch.



Quote from: TodFitch on June 24, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
Unfortunately the body number does not help.

For North American assembled cars you could contact the Chrysler Historical Collection for a copy of the "build card" using the serial number. The serial number should be on the front right door hinge post. But I there are some issues:

  • They don't usually have information for exported vehicles.
  • They don't seem to have complete records.
  • With all the corporate buyouts and mergers, it is not clear to me that they handle requests from individual owners any more.
All this to say that you may have to resort to carefully removing the paint, layer by layer, until you get to the factory color to see what it originally was.

For 1937 and later the engine compartment firewall paint should have been the body color. (For 1935 and earlier the firewall was black regardless of body color, not sure about 1936.)
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: twpoulter on August 31, 2021, 06:36:55 PM
Hi Noni should you be able to obtain a Build Card as Tod suggests you can then cross reference with paintref.com ; the minimum quantity they will produce is 1 quart. Unfortunately they can't provide a sample, the current price for 1 qt is $130 plus shipping. Here is their email address which will definitely save you time <>  Regarding the Build Card/Export I have a 33PD rhd Detroit build for a South African order, I am lucky to a copy of the original Build Card.                                           

image   [year]   make   model   paint color name   code      sample   Ditzler PPG   Acme Rogers   Martin Senour   Sherwin Williams   comment   
G B Y   1937   Plymouth   Plymouth   Black   101    C           9000, IM1700, QDE37   1724, 75            
G B Y   1937   Plymouth   Plymouth   Garfield Green   313    C           IM1821, QDE810            ditzler IM1829 for cars made in Los Angeles   
G B Y   1937   Plymouth   Plymouth   Plymouth Beige   410, 411    C           IM1778         32083, 43232   ditzler IM1334 & QDE70 baked synthetic enamel for cars made in Detroit, ditzler IM1767 for cars made in Los Angeles   
G B Y   1937   Plymouth   Plymouth   Plymouth Blue   201, 202, 203    C           IM1767      8059   32046, 43227   ditzler IM903 & QDE283 for baked synthetic enamel from Detroit, ditzler IM1776 for cars made in Los Angeles   
G B Y   1937   Plymouth   Plymouth   Aquamarine Blue   209, 210, 211    C           IM1774         32060, 47226   ditzler IM1538 & QDE436 baked synthetic enamel from Detroit, ditzler IM1766 for cars made in Los Angeles   
G B Y   1937   Plymouth   Plymouth   Middy Blue   217, 218, 219    C           IM1775         32082, 43231   ditzer IM1605 & QDE513 for synthetic enamel Detroit cars   
G B Y   1937   Plymouth   Plymouth   Plymouth Gunmetal   813, 813, 814    C           IM1777         32058, 43229   ditzler IM1539 & QDE433 for baked synthetic enamel from Detroit, ditzler IM1768 for cars made in Los Angeles   
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: Lindsay McConnell on September 01, 2021, 03:10:12 PM
Cool build card!