General Category => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: Noni Saboia on June 24, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
Title: Original paint color
Post by: Noni Saboia on June 24, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
Hi!
I am restoring in Brazil a 1937 Plymouth Sedan 4 door, which I got from my father years ago. The vehicle is painted red, but I found out that red was not a option in the original color chart.
How could I figure out the original factory color? The body number is 905-X-10039 BRIGGSMFG.CO.DETROIT.MICH.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: TodFitch on June 24, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
Unfortunately the body number does not help.
For North American assembled cars you could contact the Chrysler Historical Collection for a copy of the "build card" using the serial number. The serial number should be on the front right door hinge post. But I there are some issues:
They don't usually have information for exported vehicles.
They don't seem to have complete records.
With all the corporate buyouts and mergers, it is not clear to me that they handle requests from individual owners any more.
All this to say that you may have to resort to carefully removing the paint, layer by layer, until you get to the factory color to see what it originally was.
For 1937 and later the engine compartment firewall paint should have been the body color. (For 1935 and earlier the firewall was black regardless of body color, not sure about 1936.)
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: Noni Saboia on June 25, 2021, 09:02:30 PM
For North American assembled cars you could contact the Chrysler Historical Collection for a copy of the "build card" using the serial number. The serial number should be on the front right door hinge post. But I there are some issues:
They don't usually have information for exported vehicles.
They don't seem to have complete records.
With all the corporate buyouts and mergers, it is not clear to me that they handle requests from individual owners any more.
All this to say that you may have to resort to carefully removing the paint, layer by layer, until you get to the factory color to see what it originally was.
For 1937 and later the engine compartment firewall paint should have been the body color. (For 1935 and earlier the firewall was black regardless of body color, not sure about 1936.)
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: twpoulter on August 31, 2021, 06:36:55 PM
Hi Noni should you be able to obtain a Build Card as Tod suggests you can then cross reference with paintref.com ; the minimum quantity they will produce is 1 quart. Unfortunately they can't provide a sample, the current price for 1 qt is $130 plus shipping. Here is their email address which will definitely save you time <> Regarding the Build Card/Export I have a 33PD rhd Detroit build for a South African order, I am lucky to a copy of the original Build Card.
image [year] make model paint color name code sample Ditzler PPG Acme Rogers Martin Senour Sherwin Williams comment G B Y 1937 Plymouth Plymouth Black 101 C 9000, IM1700, QDE37 1724, 75 G B Y 1937 Plymouth Plymouth Garfield Green 313 C IM1821, QDE810 ditzler IM1829 for cars made in Los Angeles G B Y 1937 Plymouth Plymouth Plymouth Beige 410, 411 C IM1778 32083, 43232 ditzler IM1334 & QDE70 baked synthetic enamel for cars made in Detroit, ditzler IM1767 for cars made in Los Angeles G B Y 1937 Plymouth Plymouth Plymouth Blue 201, 202, 203 C IM1767 8059 32046, 43227 ditzler IM903 & QDE283 for baked synthetic enamel from Detroit, ditzler IM1776 for cars made in Los Angeles G B Y 1937 Plymouth Plymouth Aquamarine Blue 209, 210, 211 C IM1774 32060, 47226 ditzler IM1538 & QDE436 baked synthetic enamel from Detroit, ditzler IM1766 for cars made in Los Angeles G B Y 1937 Plymouth Plymouth Middy Blue 217, 218, 219 C IM1775 32082, 43231 ditzer IM1605 & QDE513 for synthetic enamel Detroit cars G B Y 1937 Plymouth Plymouth Plymouth Gunmetal 813, 813, 814 C IM1777 32058, 43229 ditzler IM1539 & QDE433 for baked synthetic enamel from Detroit, ditzler IM1768 for cars made in Los Angeles
Title: Re: Original paint color
Post by: Lindsay McConnell on September 01, 2021, 03:10:12 PM