Has anyone else encountered a requirement such as this from their respective state DMVs? Its essentially, as I read it, requiring me to pay my "one time" plate charge again, and requiring me to certify that the car meets certain safety requirements. Not sure if I have to somehow provide evidence that my '40 convertible meets 1940 safety requirements or not? Maybe my signature is enuf.
What a lame move on the states part to slap a $50 tax on each antique vehicle!!!!
Here is the DMV form:
http://members.cox.net/40plymouth/Va%20DMV%20Certification.pdf
Here in Pennsylvania, there is a similar "rule". You MUST PROVE to the State that the car is original. This requires the owner to have color photographs of the car from the front, rear, and both sides and send them a long with a check made out to the Commonwealth in the amount of $75.00. This will get you a tag only! There is also a "registration fee" of a great amount, can not remember the amount at this time. Once that is paid, then a permanent registration is given. Now, the State has the authority to not give you an antique tag if they simply do not like what they see... This could be some rust, added modifications of any sort, of even if the bumpers are shiny enough! Yep, I have seen autos fail for an added trailer hitch!
Also in PA. One must prove insurance. This also requires a representative from the company (State Farm is mine) to come to your home and take their own photos before they give you insurance... Then I get a visit from the same company about every 4 years to re-take the photos and make certain that the car is STOCK, and check mileage in that period. Having 7 cars insured, I guess that I am lucky to be able to say that my yearly premiums for most of my cars is under $120.00 a year.
In Connecticut, so far there is no requirement to show that it is in Stock condition, and you do need to have insurance to register your car. If I recall correctly if you drop the insurance the company notifys DMV, and then they can revoke the registration. When I took insurance the company accepted the pictures I took of my cars. So far I have not been required to take any more pictures. As far as registration goes, CT. has dropped the requirement of a pre-registration inspection of the car. What they do require is what they call a VIN check. In the case of my 64 Barracuda, it had previously been registered in Ct. which the clerk was able to look up in their computer. Once verified, it was just a matter of handing over my $80 for the two year registration period. My 69 Roadrunner was bought from out of state. Here I had to go get a temporary registration plate ( I think it was $12,) so I could drive the car to the DMV office. There an inspector was able to look at the number written on the temporary registration and match it to the VIN on the car. Then I had to go wait in line again to get the regular registration. They still get you for the sales tax of the car when it's registered, but that is a one time only fee. And of course there are the property taxes. But since I have antique plates on the cars these taxes are somewhat less then what they could be were they based on what these cars are currently selling for. If you're wondering I'll just say it was less then $20 for both cars.
What do you mean by 'property taxes'? Property taxes to me are just the tax I pay to the municipality for my land and buildings. Do you pay additional 'property taxes' on your vehicles? (My computer won't open the Virginia application form.)
Just another way of taxing us to death. >:(
I believe, that if a person was to read the fees listed on the vehicle registration form/card, you will note that the license fees are actually quite low on cars, however, the other fees listed ratchet up the total cost. I have vehicles licensed in three states, Cal, Idaho and Montana, CA is the highest, my '39 Plym is over $50. per year.
I understand that some states are getting smarter, in as much as they are starting to charge fees based on the published value of an old car, Old Cars Price Guide, etc.. You can bet your sweet beppy that it will only be a matter of time before the majority of the states catch onto the amount of money they are loosing in tax revenue by not collecting fees based on the actual value of old cars.
I have had friends in Idaho that have had the tax accessor want to charge personal property taxes on JUNK equipment, trucks, cars and farm machinery which has prompted them to scrap the equipment out to avoid paying taxes. In the case of vehicles, if the vehicle has current license tags they can't retax them because taxes have been paid via the annual license fees.
As I have stated before here on the POC DB, I always get the ownership and registration straightened out before I do any work on a vehicle, that way if there is any question as to the value of the vehicle, it is established based on the present condition, not the restored condition....Bill
QuoteWhat do you mean by 'property taxes'? Property taxes to me are just the tax I pay to the municipality for my land and buildings. Do you pay additional 'property taxes' on your vehicles?
Here in No. Va., we pay the county property tax on each vehicle owned each year. Antique vehicles are exempt however. It can be quite expensive if you have new, or a lot of vehicles.
Quote from: 40ragtop on July 19, 2007, 04:42:34 AM
QuoteWhat do you mean by 'property taxes'? Property taxes to me are just the tax I pay to the municipality for my land and buildings. Do you pay additional 'property taxes' on your vehicles?
Here in No. Va., we pay the county property tax on each vehicle owned each year. Antique vehicles are exempt however. It can be quite expensive if you have new, or a lot of vehicles.
Hi, from Sterling VA.?
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As a Canadian, I thought I had the distinction of being among the most highly taxed . Didn't your ancestors throw a whole bunch of British tea into Boston Harbour?
"Taxation without representation" used to be a battle cry ! There are too many bureaucrats depending on the real movers and shakers (us) to protect their own useless jobs. What can we do? An old joke stated, " The commoners are revolting! " NO Kidding, Maybe we should be.
Interesting that we have actually had some taxes removed (or re-distributed) in Minnesota. Personal Property Tax (now just on real estate - homes and lands) used to be on everything you owned. My wife works in the County Assessor's office and has had to take historic classes for her job. One of the classes covered how when the tax assessor would visit you, he would inventory your house and garage or barn. Your "value" for everything was taxed. They even counted how many pairs of underwear you had in your drawers and added the value to your net worth. Farmer's used to know when the Tax Man was coming and would move tractors, livestock etc. to farms that the Tax Man had already visited so they would not see them.
In Minnesota now we do pay Personal Property Tax on new automobiles but that goes down to almost nothing after three years. That was one good thing that Jessie Ventura did - he reduced the Personal Property Tax on new cars and made them drop in tax faster. It used to be that buy a new car and pay $400-$1000 per year in license fees. Now most are $300 - $600 the first year, 80% of that the second and third year and $99 for the 4th 5th and 6th year - after that, they go away.