General Category => Technical Discussion => Topic started by: chetbrz on November 20, 2016, 05:56:34 PM
Title: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on November 20, 2016, 05:56:34 PM
I have had this car since 2006 and I finally have the time to devote to getting it back to a closer rendition of an Original Manufactured Vehicle. In an effort not to clutter this post I am supplying links to my web blog that have detail information for each project step in this on going restoration diary. I will continue to post my progress reports if there is interest in them.
All feedback & advise are welcomed.
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Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on November 20, 2016, 11:56:45 PM
Chet, Thanks for posting your restoration work. I look forward to more postings as you continue your progress. I knew you owned this car but didn't know what you were going to do with respect to any renewal of it.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on November 21, 2016, 09:28:56 AM
Quote from: Bill Davis on November 20, 2016, 11:56:45 PM Chet, Thanks for posting your restoration work. I look forward to more postings as you continue your progress. I knew you owned this car but didn't know what you were going to do with respect to any renewal of it.
Hi Bill, thanks for the response. While I am working on the car's suspension any and all suggestions on body construction would be welcomed, especially the floor. I know the original floor was plywood as far as my car is concerned nothing on the floor is original or for that matter.., I don't think it even closely mimics the original construction. So for now pictures of a surviving 29 Ply showing the floor board construction & placement would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Chet...
Title: always nice to see what You are doing!
Post by: Go Fleiter on November 23, 2016, 01:54:33 AM
You are a friend of big projects! Please continue to post or link! Greetings from D?sseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on November 23, 2016, 10:22:52 AM
I am looking forward to following your progress.
For what it is worth, the drag link end on my '33 is very similar in construction. But one thing it has that I don't see in yours is a leather piece with a hole and slot which goes under the top sheet metal piece. I guess it is supposed to be a seal. Was there any evidence that yours had something like that at one time?
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on November 23, 2016, 03:57:58 PM
For what it is worth, the drag link end on my '33 is very similar in construction. But one thing it has that I don't see in yours is a leather piece with a hole and slot which goes under the top sheet metal piece. I guess it is supposed to be a seal. Was there any evidence that yours had something like that at one time?
Not sure, to many decades of dried grease. (https://www.plymouthowners.club/talk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1948plymouth.info%2F1929%2Fimages%2FBuild%2FSuspension_016.jpg&hash=1e902a1a70d3ac06d71c96f8582283d50553448d)
In the 28 to 33 Master parts list the following items are listed:
1 - Drag link dust cover pad 8 - Drag link dust cover spring 9 - Drag link dust cover washer 10- Drag link dust cover
I recovered items 8, & 10
I believe item '1' was a thin pad under the dust cover washer (item 9) and used as a seal. The Master parts list references these items. From what I can tell the order of assembly is as follows. Reference picture above.
Item '10' dust cover Item '1' Dust cover pad Item '9' Dust cover washer Item '8' Spring
Good pick up Tod, I haven't decided how I am going to deal with this yet; Of course leather is a useable option and easy to fabricate. Also could use a soft rubber washer.
Have a Great Thanksgiving !!!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 04, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
I started the reassembly of the front suspension.
Over the past week or so I had removed the gravel shield and steering box and have been cleaning and renewing the front assembly parts. Both tie rod ends have been cleaned as well as the tie rod shaft. Removing the protective coating of grime has been a difficult task. I am saving some parts like the gravel shields for the Hot Tank at our local Napa store. Also I cleaned as much of the wheel well as needed and painted it with flat black rust-oleum. With this work completed I started to reassemble the driver's side suspension.
I lightly honed the frame shackle holes to clear them of any burs. I used a large 'C' clamp to press the Teflon Bushing into place.
Below is a picture of the shackle setup without the locking nuts. I added washers to keep the shackle ends from scraping against the spring and frame support.
I installed the Steering Box, New Leaf Spring, Bumper, reassembled the Drag Link, New Grease fittings and greased everything. I am very happy with the end result.
I also spent some time on the passenger side spring now that the Driver's side is completed. The passenger side was in really bad shape. The top leaf had been broken and was welded. I can't believe I was ridding around with this spring in this condition.
BTW, The passenger side leaf spring had a different shackle setup. It had a metal bushing with a screw in center pivot shaft that the shackle ends connected to. Definitely a much better shackle than the Tryon Shackle. I believe the different shackle and welded top leaf happened quite awhile ago. With all the grime on the leaf spring you couldn't notice that a half leaf was added to facilitate the broken front spring eyelet. :o
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on December 04, 2016, 02:31:24 PM
It is always nice to see, how beautifully You do Your things! Greetings from D?sseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 04, 2016, 05:38:56 PM
Tod I had similar concerns. I guess time will tell. These trailer parts are used on Boat, Car, and Camping trailers. Actually modern cars use hard rubber bushings to support leaf springs which were another possible choice. So it's not like these parts were designed for another purpose and retrofitted for leaf springs. These parts are most effective for boat trailers that carry considerable weight and are submerged often in sault water. Also very easy to replace if something better comes along or if life expectancy is short. After all my 29 isn't driven daily at highway speeds actually doing 45mph is a land speed record event. The car likes 35mph as a cruising speed.
Thanks for the heads-up, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 29, 2016, 06:17:09 PM
Seasons Greetings and back to work.
I cleaned up the Shackle which was on the front passenger side spring. This shackle is very different to the Tryon Shackle which I am told was used on this car. I have attached a picture below in the hopes that someone might recognize this shackle. I believe my rear springs also have this type of shackle. Of course the rear shackle is a bit larger. See Below...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 03, 2017, 05:35:17 PM
Happy New Year !!!
On this rainy January 3rd. I installed the new passenger side front leaf spring and reassembled the tie rod ends and installed and aligned the front spindles as well as I could without the drums and wheels.
I also dropped off the front brake mounting plates and the gravel guards from the engine compartment.., at my local Napa machine shop to be hot tank and clean before paint and reassembly. I have new front brake pads ready for installation.
I am almost finished with the front suspension, I guess I will turn my attention to the rear axle once I am totally finished with the front. PS... this is coming out better than I expected. I think the word is awesome. :)
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on January 03, 2017, 06:01:18 PM
Looking great, a nice start to the year!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 11, 2017, 08:30:44 PM
January 7, 2017
I picked up my parts from the machine shop on Friday an with the aid of two electric heaters and one propane heater I was able to warm my work shed enough to paint these parts. Allowing them to sit out in the air after cleaning would just invite rust. As it was, I had to lightly buff them prior to painting.
As far as today goes, since this morning we are experiencing whiteout conditions and between the cold winds and snow it's not enjoyable to be working out in the garage today. Even with the heaters running.
January 11, 2017 I installed the brake support plates, brake cylinders, and pads. As usual everything should be straight forward but I did run across a question. My driver's side Dust Shield (Item 10 in the drawing) was on the outside of the brake support plate and the passenger side Dust Shield was positioned on the inner side of the brake support plate. Just so we are on the same page see the diagram below. (Item 10)
I assume that this dust shield allows grease and grime from the rear bearing to be collected and expelled out the back of the brake support plate. The picture from the Plymouth Instruction Booklet for 1929 shows the Dust Shield behind the Brake Support Plate. This is the way I installed these on both wheels. See photo below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on January 11, 2017, 11:35:13 PM
Lots of changes between your car and mine, but on mine the little sheet metal shield is mounted on the same side as the brake shoes and it retains a piece of felt which does the actual sealing.
Looking at the '28-33 Master Parts Book (on page 2-1, Plate 1, item 15) it shows that shield on the same side as the brake shoes and calls it a "Wheel brake support front grease shield". From the location and shape, it looks like it would keep any grease that escapes the "Front wheel hub dust washer assembly" (item 5, looks like the inner grease seal in the hub) from getting flung into the brakes.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 12, 2017, 12:32:25 AM
Quote from: TodFitch on January 11, 2017, 11:35:13 PM Lots of changes between your car and mine, but on mine the little sheet metal shield is mounted on the same side as the brake shoes and it retains a piece of felt which does the actual sealing.
Looking at the '28-33 Master Parts Book (on page 2-1, Plate 1, item 15) it shows that shield on the same side as the brake shoes and calls it a "Wheel brake support front grease shield". From the location and shape, it looks like it would keep any grease that escapes the "Front wheel hub dust washer assembly" (item 5, looks like the inner grease seal in the hub) from getting flung into the brakes.
Hi Tod,
Thanks for the response. Its hard to see what I am talking about with the drawing on page 2-1. If you look close and follow item 15 to the bottom. There is a small lip that shows on the back of the support plate. You can see in both pictures I posted previously.., the dust shield sits on the side with the brake shoes as you mentioned; but the little bottom lip (Red Arrow) fits behind the support plate. If you don't mount it this way the excess grease would wonder down on the shoe side of the brake plate. Take another look at the pictures I posted. The drawing from the Plymouth instruction book and my car photo. The area at the bottom is open. The Ply master parts book picture confirms this, but it is very hard to see because of the King Pin Assembly. I needed to use magnification.
I believe this positioning is correct based on the review of both pictures from the parts & instruction bucket: (https://www.plymouthowners.club/talk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1948plymouth.info%2F1929%2Fimages%2FBuild%2FSuspension_033&hash=aed11267a98cb4f44cc336bba84fea80d79dc5db)
Thanks, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 18, 2017, 08:40:36 PM
Back to the Framing Issue:
With the front suspension completed and all 4 wheels supporting the car again I continued on the framing project. First I stripped out the old floor to get an idea of the daunting task ahead of me. I am very disappointed by the lack of original wood. I was hoping that something of the sill assembly was left but to my disappointment none to be found.
Using the three frame mounting points on each side of the car (6 all together) I was able to determine my understanding of what the sill plate might have looked like. The picture below is a rough idea and the following are my determinations. If anyone has information other then this, please let me know.
1) Sill plate thickness 1 3/4". Length, width, and exact shape to be determined. 2) Sill will be a single piece structure from front to back. 3) Rear section support brace is secured with Lap Joints and through bolted to the frame. 4) The rear body section sits on 4 defined frame points which will square the back section and everything from that point forward will be measured from the back section as the reference.
The Plymouth frame construction appears to be simpler in nature then the Fisher Body which relies more on mortise joints. the Plymouth frame utilizes metal braces at high stress connection points. Also mortis joints are used in many places.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: CHS on January 19, 2017, 12:20:02 PM
This is amazing. You are a true craftsman. I think it is wonderful when someone takes a piece of automotive history and brings it back to life. Looking forward to the day I can see you drive your restoration.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 19, 2017, 10:36:42 PM
Quote from: CHS on January 19, 2017, 12:20:02 PM This is amazing. You are a true craftsman. I think it is wonderful when someone takes a piece of automotive history and brings it back to life. Looking forward to the day I can see you drive your restoration.
Thank you, I'm looking forward to that day also. Hopefully sooner than later. :)
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on January 21, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
I continue folllowing Your work with admiration! Greetings! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 23, 2017, 01:17:55 PM
Frame Project Update:
This update has two many pictures to add to this post so if you are interested please click on the link below to my online project diary. ( For you younger folks a diary is the same as a blog :) )
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 28, 2017, 10:08:59 PM
The weather here in Delaware this week has granted me permission to forge ahead with my project.
I have not yet decided what type of wood or combination of wood I will use for the sill member. I am thinking about treated deck board with a 1/4 inch of oak glued to the top surface. Anyway the link below gives the blow by blow on my progress recreating the left Hinge Pillar Assembly.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: RC Drown on February 15, 2017, 12:30:36 PM
looking good Chet
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on February 20, 2017, 04:06:01 PM
Thanks Bob,
UPDATE:
I am trying to stay as close as possible to the original construction of the Plymouth frame but have to work with the tools and information I have at hand. Obviously working without formal templates, drawings, or special tools; I try to construct as close as possible to the engineering intent and not the exact construction methods used in the period the car was built.
As I peel back the onion on this car the task is as daunting as ever but we are taking it one step at a time. Hopefully the end product will be worth it. As I said what you can't see is just between us...
See the link below for the update just to much to post directly:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on February 23, 2017, 07:58:20 PM
New Hinge Pillar Installation
This will be my last update for a while. Everything I have done to date to the driver's side of my car I will be reversing and doing to the passenger side. Since the methods are the same I don't see any reason to post the blow by blow description. Will start posting again once I reach a point of new work. Please see the link below.., just to much to post in this thread.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on March 03, 2017, 01:57:55 PM
I love to see Your posts! I?m impressed You try both steel and wood work at equally high level!! Greetings from D?sseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on March 16, 2017, 08:39:51 PM
Since the board has been so quite I will post another update. The cold weather that has rolled into the neighborhood has put the brakes on my wood working project. See the link below for my progress to date.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on March 16, 2017, 10:39:04 PM
Thank you. I enjoy reading and seeing your progress. It also reminds me that I never want to have a car with a wood framed body. :)
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on March 18, 2017, 11:25:49 PM
LOL, yes besides rust you have to worry about termites. ???
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: RC Drown on April 14, 2017, 05:58:24 AM
I am pleased that your work on the '29 is coming along , I am sure it will look just as good as your P-15 did when you finished. who knows, maybe you can make its maiden voyage up here to the Roscoe Diner like you did your P-15.
Speaking of the Roscoe diner, Cooper and I were there this past Sunday, I had a cup of coffee and blueberry pie and he had a good cold drink of water
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on April 14, 2017, 10:54:32 AM
Hi Bob, progress has slowed a bit. I am in Florida visiting the grand kids. I hope I can finish this car for the 2018 eightieth birthday of the Plymouth brand
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on May 07, 2017, 07:19:13 PM
Passenger Side Hinge Pillar
With the complicated work of creating the left & right side sill plates and also the rear cross sill behind me. I completed the construction of the passenger side hinge pillar. Basically I reversed everything I did to the driver's side and applied it to the passenger side.
Once all the wood was positioned properly I squared off the rear body assembly. Using dimensions I calculated and verified with actual measurements from forum member <29UJohn> who also has a 1929 Plymouth 4 door sedan. I bolted everything down.
The strength of this rear section is now comparable to a newly constructed car. I will move on to new work like rebuilding the rear seat frame assembly and rear window frame which will add even more strength to the rear section of my old car.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on May 07, 2017, 10:03:56 PM
Beautiful work!
I am really, really glad that I don't have a car with a wood framed body. But I am also fascinated by it and really enjoy your narrative and photos. Thanks!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on May 08, 2017, 02:46:51 PM
I am really, really glad that I don't have a car with a wood framed body. But I am also fascinated by it and really enjoy your narrative and photos. Thanks!
Tod, My stretch goal is to complete all this work by the 2018 national meet. I doubt very much that I can realize that goal but one should always have something to strive for. The 80 year Anniversary. Well maybe 2019 might be more realistic for me.
Chet?
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on May 13, 2017, 01:31:25 PM
I keep looking the forum every couple of weeks: fine to see Your steady progress! Greetins! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on May 14, 2017, 01:35:38 PM
Hi Go,
Rear Frame & Lower Window Assembly
I posted a link below to the blow by blow description.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: RC Drown on May 14, 2017, 06:00:37 PM
Looking Good Chet
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Gary Vickery on May 19, 2017, 10:31:46 PM
You are a craftsman! Thanks for sharing the pics and descriptions. Though mine is a 35, and I don't intend to restore it like this, I learn something every time you post. Great job!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on May 21, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
Quote from: napmaster on May 19, 2017, 10:31:46 PM You are a craftsman! Thanks for sharing the pics and descriptions. Though mine is a 35, and I don't intend to restore it like this, I learn something every time you post. Great job!
My humble thanks, but I must say posting keeps me on an honest path. Sometimes the urge to shortcut things gets very strong. Posting pulls me back to my prime directive. Tks, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on May 22, 2017, 05:17:27 PM
What an amazing amount of work your putting into both the car and the documentation, I'm working on a 33 and a 34 and just don't find the time to write all the details up or even take enough photos. There is only one other I know of and that's Tod with his ply3 com which is very relevant to my builds. I will bookmark your thread and pop back when time permits. Keep the good work up, absolute credit to you.
Tom Poulter
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on June 02, 2017, 04:04:51 PM
Rear Window Frame & Upper Cross Member
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on June 12, 2017, 09:33:49 PM
The Cowl Frame Assembly
With the rear frame section completed, I moved my attention to the Cowl Assembly. Once this section is completed I will be able to hang my doors and position the center door column supports. Once all this work is completed I will be able to start work on the roof members.
I started by striping the Cowl down to the frame pieces or in my case what's left of the original frame. I removed the dash and the upper window metal which included the metal front door hinge pillars and windshield. I also removed all the component parts from the dash.
The picture below is a view of the back side of my dash. I believe the blue paint is the original body color of my car. So I am assuming that the area of the dash behind the front windshield was painted the same as the Plymouth body color.
The only original wood left was the center windshield support. I will be able to use this piece by joining new wood to the left and right sides. I will be able to use the metal hinge plates to fabricate the wood hinge pillars. So the cowl is basically three wood members joined together with the rigid metal supports. The good news is, I have all the original metal supports.
I would be interested in any pictures of this area showing the wood members, the hinge pillar, and the windshield.
Thanks, Chet... PS.. I have the lift assembly for the front windshield.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on July 09, 2017, 04:57:26 PM
Cowl Frame continued
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on July 09, 2017, 09:54:57 PM
Impressive work and it looks like you have put considerable thought into how to fabricate the wood and square up the body, etc.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on July 12, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Chet may I ask if the metal panels are original or what you have made or had made, I ask because I am working on a South Afriacan owned 33 PD and a Texan owned PE. The PD had next to no rust when it came to me in 2012 but the PE had a lot of rust to the cab, lower belt lines mainly. Just got to love these old Ply's
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on July 12, 2017, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: twpoulter on July 12, 2017, 04:48:42 PM Chet may I ask if the metal panels are original or what you have made or had made, I ask because I am working on a South Afriacan owned 33 PD and a Texan owned PE. The PD had next to no rust when it came to me in 2012 but the PE had a lot of rust to the cab, lower belt lines mainly. Just got to love these old Ply's
The metal skins are original. Of course I have cleaned up the inner sides and painted where I could to further preserve the car.
Tod, Thanks for the continued encouragement. I'm learning more about this car every day I work on it, but mostly.., every other couple of days that I just spend time thinking about it.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on July 23, 2017, 09:31:40 AM
Cowl Frame Continued - The Dash
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Does anyone have pictures of the rear and front sections of the 29Plymouth roof looking from inside the car with or without the headliner. I have some but nothing that shows the area over the rear window or front windshield in any kind of detail.
I am trying to make a few decisions on the reconstruction of the 29 4-door sedan roof. From the rear section's metal skin there is a definite left to right curvature to the roof. In most pictures the roof looks pretty flat but looking at the front metal form of the cowl, it does have a slight arc to it. Can anyone confirm whether the front section of the roof is at a slight arc or does it lay completely flat in reference to the windshield sun visor.
As you probably know already there was no original roof wood left on my car. I have plenty of pictures of original roof construction but I am still flying blind. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on August 31, 2017, 04:16:40 PM
Upper Roof Frame Continued (front)
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: 36splodge on September 01, 2017, 06:10:05 PM
I am really appreciating this account of your work. It is not my year but it will help some one else. We all get encouraged to work on our cars when we see the details that are under all the glossy paint and chrome. Thank You!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on September 13, 2017, 03:20:15 PM
Roof Frame Continued (front & driver's side)
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: fantastic!
Post by: Go Fleiter on September 14, 2017, 02:34:20 AM
I had no idea, how these metal and wood parts could go together! Very interesting- and I?m curious, how You will hide all these skrews and how You get them water resistant! Greetings from D?sseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on September 14, 2017, 12:18:13 PM
Go, you bring up a good point.
Weather integrity is not an item that keeps me up at night but is something that needs to be considered. Thanks for bring it up. I am fully confident that the roof will be sealed weather tight. There are moldings, rain channels, and silicon corking which at this point is not apparent but will properly seal the roof when completed. As for the rest of the car the areas of concern are the movable windshield and all the movable windows in the doors and body. Also the wood structured bottom of the car. When we get to these areas we will make the best effort to ensure new window channels and maintain natural drain paths for window runoff and seal areas that might be considered problematic.
As far as concealing screws and attaching components, 99% of what you are seeing now in my pictures will be covered by interior upholstery and roofing material. It?s unfortunate that the countless hours of work that will be expended to complete the framing of this old car will not be seen because none of it is exposed.
I am not sure how weather tight this old car was when it rolled out of the factory but the chances of my car seeing extended periods of bad weather is highly unlikely while the car is in my possession. Maybe being accidently caught in a rain storm should be an extremely rare case. Either way we will do the best we can.
As always you guys keep me honest, Chet?
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on September 25, 2017, 03:36:37 PM
Finally finished the last of the structural framing
I can finally move on to something new. Yes I know that there is still plenty of wood work to complete but the structural side of the equation is now in the past. It's actually been a little over a year since I started down this road. Pretty soon maybe I'll have something to actually drive again.
According to my current information the pan should sit back approximately 72 and 3/8 inches from the front sill edge to the front edge of the wooden cross member that the pan attaches to. I believe that the front edge of the seat pan sits back roughly 3/8 of an inch from the front face of the wood cross member. The height off the finished floor is 2.5 inches. Also the rear of the pan attaches through the rear triangular body braces. Again my car is a 1929-U 4dr. sedan.
A picture looking down on the front of the rear seat pan would be greatly appreciated.
Can anyone confirm these assumptions ?
Title: :))
Post by: Go Fleiter on November 29, 2017, 12:53:57 PM
:))
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 14, 2017, 01:29:43 PM
The Motor Continued...
I delivered the motor safe and sound to J&M Machine in Southborough, Massachusetts. They keep a Facebook Page and will be sharing photos of the rebuild in progress. If anyone is interested the link is below and you do not have to be a Facebook member to view the pictures. John reports that the pistons are the original stock size. My assumption is that this is the first major rebuild.
The weather has turned a little cold but I have still been making progress. I sent out my Original Generator and Starter motor to Don Allen in Florence, Oregon. Don was featured on JAY LENO'S GARAGE. Don will be completely restoring these parts to original like new condition. This includes rewinding and wiring both the Generator and Starter motor with all new parts. A "like new" engine deserves a "like new" Generator and Starter. Below is a link to Don's web site.
Neither one of these processes are inexpensive and just my personal choice. Currently I am waiting for the wiring harness so if the weather gets better I will start on cleaning up the front frames and engine firewall. Of course working on the toe board will be a lot easier without the engine.
Happy Holidays, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on December 19, 2017, 02:28:30 AM
Thanks for that link! Go
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Post by: 36splodge on December 20, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Thanks for the update. I have been following along and really enjoy this kind of posting. Finished cars are nice but it is the process and trying to get the information to move forward that I appreciate. Keep it up. Doug
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Post by: chetbrz on December 20, 2017, 09:58:39 AM
Thanks Go, & Doug
Things have slowed down a bit with the Holidays and the cold that moved in but I am jumping in when I can. Mostly sending things out that need to be repaired. Removed the rear motor mounts yesterday and cleaned up the firewall and front frames. Will send the mounts to be re-volcanized. After 89 years the rubber is solid.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on January 13, 2018, 08:26:50 PM
Thanks for the photos, Chet. Looks like the engine rebuild is coming along nicely.
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Post by: chetbrz on January 25, 2018, 04:02:10 PM
Winter Work / Odds & Ends:
The weather, especially the cold weather, has forced me from the garage but I am trying to continue to make progress even though my hands-on time has been greatly impacted.
What's in the works currently:
Motor is being rebuilt by J&M Machine.
Original Starter and Generator are being rebuilt by Don Allen in Florence, Oregon.
I sent my RT08 carburetor parts to a gentlemen in Virginia who is rebuilding the carb and adding a new brass accelerator pump. Pricy but I believe it will be worth it.., especially for adhering to originality.
I have also been able to clean up and restore all firewall parts (Example - Fuel pump, Tags, etc). I have spent time ordering hardware such as 1/4 20 square nuts along with the appropriate slotted screws for the firewall and other areas (Boltdepot.com (http://boltdepot.com)). I am trying to locate all incidental parts, like rubber grommets.
I have received the wiring harness but I need to install the bottom metal dash support brackets before I can start installing any of the new wiring. Sometimes this little stuff just eats away at your time.
I founded this window regulator on eBay. It was frozen and not functional. I was able to clean it up in my ultrasonic cleaner. The ultrasound did a great job freeing up the mechanism. The paint will preserve it for another 100 years. BTW my driver's side door regulator's teeth were gone. This one was a welcome surprise.
Well back to the grind. Working on some indoor home improvement projects.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on January 31, 2018, 12:45:34 AM
Chet, It looks like you are making steady progress on your Plymouth. Thanks for the updates you post. I always enjoy reading about your on-going restoration.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: RC Drown on January 31, 2018, 06:34:18 AM
I am sitting here with a cup of coffee and see the car in my mind's going up Rt 28 from the Ashsokan to Delhi. Good luck with it my friend, she is looking good
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 31, 2018, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: RC Drown on January 31, 2018, 06:34:18 AM I am sitting here with a cup of coffee and see the car in my mind's going up Rt 28 from the Ashsokan to Delhi. Good luck with it my friend, she is looking good
Bob, That's a nice thought. Never say never, I just need a place to park the car trailer because the old girl wouldn't be able to keep up with traffic on the NJ turnpike.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: RC Drown on January 31, 2018, 06:36:23 PM
Chet you are more than welcome to park the trailer in my dooryard, with our health the way it is, we couldn't put you and your wife up, put there are places to stay if necessary
Title: I always lik the standard
Post by: Go Fleiter on February 01, 2018, 10:42:08 AM
of Your work + documentation too! Greetings to all of You! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on February 02, 2018, 11:02:01 AM
I received the Generator, Starter, and Carburetor back from repair. The Generator and Starter were completely rewound and all new component parts installed. See below:
The Starter: (https://www.plymouthowners.club/talk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1948plymouth.info%2Fgalley%2Fvar%2Fresizes%2Fchetbrz%2FMotor13.jpg&hash=09b5f4fc3be6118f02f59a571e6335e6949c0267)
The Carburetor - Looks Good but I am not familiar with the builder so we will have to see how well it works once I get the motor back. Of course I will get the motor tuned up with my old Tillotson Carb which I know works. (https://www.plymouthowners.club/talk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1948plymouth.info%2Fgalley%2Fvar%2Fresizes%2Fchetbrz%2FMotor14.jpg&hash=a1a07f5c5591df5a6496c36b965387dbd70a5264)
Bob, Well see when the time presents it's self.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on February 06, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
It looks like this repair facility did some quality work judging by the exterior fit & finish.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on February 07, 2018, 12:44:15 AM
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on February 17, 2018, 12:19:04 AM
Great work, Chet. Thanks for including the link to the complete build. It's looking very nice. I know you are pleased with your progress.
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Post by: twpoulter on February 17, 2018, 04:33:33 AM
Great to see the blow by blow account of your work, very detailed with lots of photos. Thanks for taking us along this journey with you. As an aside I am hoping when the new site is launched, if ever, we will be able to document are threads adding the photos as we go instead of attaching them at the end unless I?m not using the tabs correctly.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on February 18, 2018, 09:44:24 AM
Thanks for the at-a-boys.
I hope my errors and successes help someone else working to save one of theses old cars from the crusher.
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on March 28, 2018, 04:38:48 PM
The Roof Progress
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted two links to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: RC Drown on March 28, 2018, 07:55:39 PM
looking good my friend, I wish I had your talent
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on March 29, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
Thanks Bob, I hope everything is going well on your end.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on March 31, 2018, 04:51:36 PM
again, I admire the quality and pace of Your work! Greetings from D?sseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on April 11, 2018, 11:28:12 AM
The Roof Lath
I took advantage of the summer like weather and made some incremental progress to the old car. Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on April 14, 2018, 04:53:46 PM
Great progress as always just thoroughly enjoy the way you set all the various steps on your website, I hope this new website will soon be working to the same standard. Regarding your concern over moving the car without supporting the the steering wheel might it be an idea to suspend a couple of ties from the roof laths and one up from the floor to give you 3 point contact. My PD has it's body on 6" riser blocks and I have used that method to move it several times.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on April 15, 2018, 12:26:11 PM
Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion. Before it goes to the painter I'll mask the dash. Since it is vacant of any components I can easily remove it, sand, and repaint. Actually another member offered to send me an old damaged dash he had that I could use instead of mine. I truly appreciate the help and interest of club members and non-members alike. This car is turning out to be a very collaborative effort.
Currently looking for info about the following:
Question:
Was there weather stripping around the door frames. If so, anyone have any pictures ?
Also interested in how the hinge pillars are weather sealed ?
Was there a metal rear window frame, I don't believe I have one.
Any info or pictures of original interior is greatly appreciated.
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on April 17, 2018, 05:52:04 PM
Regarding a rubber seal the only thing on my 33 PD is a channel in the top of the door to accept a square rubber insert
The only thing on mine is the windlass piping
The photos won't help you but they were sent to me by a friends daughter that liver in Ottawa Quebec. Yes it's a model U
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on April 17, 2018, 06:27:11 PM
Wow, great pictures. Maybe a few usable parts rotting away.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Frank2 on April 18, 2018, 10:13:16 AM
Chet, Is that a rear window frame in twpoulter's picture? frank
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on April 18, 2018, 11:08:01 AM
I would say Yes... But that's the remains of the rear skin's body flange around the window.., not the interior finish frame. It's amazing that the shade is still there and the mounting brackets. I feel like a buzzard flying over a rotting carcass with my mouth watering.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on April 19, 2018, 04:12:20 PM
Hope I haven't distracted you from your mission, you mentioned about parts, how's this
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Post by: chetbrz on April 21, 2018, 09:18:06 AM
Absolute treasure!!
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Post by: chetbrz on May 23, 2018, 12:11:11 PM
Prep for Paint - Door Repairs.
Lots of things going on this spring but did manage to fit in some car progress. Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
I enjoy reading about your restoration work. At the end of this restoration, you will be a walking Model U encyclopedia.
LOL .., Thanks Bill, but I think the memory is one of the first things to go. :(
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on May 28, 2018, 07:15:48 AM
beautiful, as always!! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on May 28, 2018, 05:55:22 PM
Great work but I don't know how you get time to write the information up and keep your workshop so tidy. Perhaps you could write another blog on time management.
Thanks to posting.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on May 28, 2018, 07:37:23 PM
Tom in a word, Retired.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on May 29, 2018, 07:36:57 PM
Chet I've been retired since 2013 when I worked 4 shift but since I've been restoring cars I have no spare time at all, and now I thinking of buying a P15C Club Coupe but the price has got to be right and I would like it to be a driver, don't need to restore any more.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on May 31, 2018, 05:51:10 PM
I understand what you are saying. I try to stay focused on one thing otherwise I take on too much and then get nothing done.., or it seems that way. With all the projects around the house I can only focus on one car at a time and try to stay with it until done. Unfortunately my 48 needs some attention but it will have to wait. At least I can drive it if I can find the time.
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on May 31, 2018, 07:00:40 PM
Chet, I knew I should have talked to you before, I now know where I've been going wrong. Bob Drown keeps telling me to just get one driving but I can't decide which one and those jobs around the house, that's another story. The lists gets longer as I get older, I do have a 13 yr old Grandson but he gets easily bored and his hands have never seen dirt.
Tom.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on May 31, 2018, 11:22:25 PM
LOL.., I know what you are talking about. Unfortunately doing a restoration by yourself is like moving an elephant with a toothpick. You need a lot of time and patience. My wife has become a good helper and second set of hands. Dirt doesn't touch her hands either.., she has gloves. :)
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on June 11, 2018, 07:05:37 PM
Prep for Paint - Upper Door Frame Repairs.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on June 13, 2018, 06:10:14 PM
Nice work Chet as always, like the way you detailed the way you went about it. Keep the good work up.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: 28 Ply.cpe on June 19, 2018, 10:01:22 AM
Hi Chet, I've been reading your thread, G00D work. In 1972 I started on mine. a 28 Ply. Coupe. I went through the same as you. Became a carpenter on this car and then a body man. Back then no internet to find parts or group info on the car . I wish I would of taken more pictures to show like you. I do have many polaroid and kodak pictures in a box and on a story board. I finally finished in 1998 You have done wonders. Thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on June 19, 2018, 05:40:30 PM
Thanks for the kind comments.
What I find challenging about this car is there is very little that can be found as repro parts. It seems you can find anything you might need for the Model A, either wooden frame reproes or any and all metal parts. I spent the last 10 years acquiring original restorable parts when I was lucky enough to stumbled across them. Which wasn't very often. Now I can maybe get the planets to align so I can get this car purring again. Hopefully the documentation can maybe help someone else down the road.
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on June 19, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
Quote from: 28 Ply.cpe on June 19, 2018, 10:01:22 AM Hi Chet, I've been reading your thread, G00D work. In 1972 I started on mine. a 28 Ply. Coupe. I went through the same as you. Became a carpenter on this car and then a body man. Back then no internet to find parts or group info on the car . I wish I would of taken more pictures to show like you. I do have many polaroid and kodak pictures in a box and on a story board. I finally finished in 1998 You have done wonders. Thank you for sharing.
Funny thinking back to old celluloid film, I used to use 35mm 36 exp. take them to the chemist and back they come in about a week, then you would find half of them were rubbish. Thing in favour is that I have more 30 years worth of packets of photos with their film, today you can take one hundred photos and lose them in a second
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on June 19, 2018, 06:16:01 PM
Hi chet so true what you say on my 33 PD R/S coupe all the side mount tin wear and iron were missing, they were there in 1970 when it was rescued in South Africa but not when it came to the UK in 2002. they took me 4 yrs to find in the States, only draw back is that they are not identical yet. Keep up the good work, onward and upwards.
Thought to be when new When found in 1970 near Bloemfontein SA
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Post by: Frank2 on June 19, 2018, 10:52:08 PM
Wonderful pictures, Tom.
Chet, You're making great progress. How's your engine coming along?
frank
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on June 22, 2018, 03:23:48 AM
always like to read Your progresses! Go
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Post by: chetbrz on June 23, 2018, 10:13:34 PM
Great pictures Tom I wish I know more about the history of my car.
Frank, the motor is just about finished. Its in final assembly and paint.
Go, Always nice to hear from you. PS my grand kids are up from Florida and I set up my old Lionel Trains so they can play with the same toys I played with as a kid. I believe you like model railroading. Anyway the trains have taken over the den. Running around the furniture and distracting the kids from the video games, internet, and TV. Nothing like the sound of a train whistle to get your imagination to run wild.
Chet..
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on June 24, 2018, 02:14:44 AM
chet you are very fortunate to have toys from your childhood, I have a couple of tin toys which were always at my grand mothers which came to me when she passed, an Ambulance and single decker Bus, they are at the top of our stairs in a cabinet and only come out for dusting. Nostalgia funny how things return to you mind of bygone days when your memory is jogged.
Any great progress made on the 29 lately, why does everything take so long, but there I have a friend just south of Nashville, been restoring high end cars for comming on 45 yrs, has a large purpose built unit and works on his own, some of his jobs are in the shop several yrs for various reasons. One is a large RR customer passed about 5 yrs ago just before it was finished, told to sell it by the executors but not a lot of call for a RHD in the States.
Mind wandered there Chet sorry.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on June 24, 2018, 07:53:38 PM
Tom, I'm told that "He who dies with the most toys wins". Personally I don't think you actually need a lot of toys just need to play with them once and awhile. Grand Kids are a great excuse.
Cheers, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on June 26, 2018, 07:27:46 PM
Grand kids are every thing, we have 5, three boys and two girls, the oldest boy of thirteen, he shadows me all the time one of those kids that will not grow away, I have 2 Morris/ Austin minis that I hope I will find enough time to build one for him. I have so many grown-up toys waiting to be finished, steaming ahead with my 41 Pick-up to the stage where it is now in my workshop, hope to remove the cab next week.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: RC Drown on June 27, 2018, 09:50:23 AM
speaking of grandchildren, my three from Oklahoma when they were home last montn
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on June 28, 2018, 05:45:53 AM
Yours is a beautiful team, unfortunately not living next door to their Grandpa! Here are mine, Helena and Aenias (father is greek). Aenias always at the controls: rocket flyer or Ply driver, leaving inadequate transportation behind:
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he had permission to toot the horn twice!
This one without vehicle- but self flying:
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This bouncing giraffe castle (My shop compressor for the Ply is useful!) is loved most- and on those days Grandpa is the greatest -in spite of incomplete landing!! Greetings to all Grandpas and Mas and others! Go
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Post by: twpoulter on June 29, 2018, 03:01:34 AM
Absolute Magic
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Post by: RC Drown on June 29, 2018, 06:11:53 AM
thanks Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on November 18, 2018, 03:57:38 PM
Prep for Paint - Last of the Door/Door Frame Repairs.
I started on this in June and over the summer have been distracted by a number of things but this weekend I finally completed this section of my project.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on November 19, 2018, 01:49:34 AM
Thank you for the update!
I admire your patience and especially your craftsmanship, really "top shelf"!
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Post by: twpoulter on November 21, 2018, 03:22:28 PM
Some very cleaver work going on there Chet, thanks for keeping us up to date, will you be working through the winter?. Sure Bob would be looking down smiling, bless him.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on November 22, 2018, 06:07:46 AM
it is always fine to see Your excellence! Greetings from Düsseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on December 09, 2018, 08:43:22 PM
Excellent work, Chet. It is always a pleasure to read about your continuing metal/wood work. Thanks for keeping all of us in the loop with your project.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 29, 2019, 11:07:36 AM
First of all many thanks for all the At-A-Boys. Sorry to hear about Bob from the Plymouth Bulletin. Very sad.
Spent the holidays in Florida with the grand kids. In answer to your question I have been trying to work on the car but it is very difficult to do body work in the colder weather. I might be picking up the motor soon, so it will be easer to get some wrench time over the cold snaps.
Speaking of cold snaps., I don't know how you guys in the central north section of the US get anything done during the winter months. :(
Sorry to all for the delayed response, Chet...
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Post by: TodFitch on January 29, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
Off topic: Chet, I see that your signature says you are part of the "Internet Region Group". This is the first I've become aware of such a thing for the Plymouth Owners Club and I don't see anything about that on the website home page nor do I see that in a random Plymouth Bulletin laying near my computer. Who/what is that and where can I find more information? Thanks!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 29, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: TodFitch on January 29, 2019, 01:11:27 PM Off topic: Chet, I see that your signature says you are part of the "Internet Region Group". This is the first I've become aware of such a thing for the Plymouth Owners Club and I don't see anything about that on the website home page nor do I see that in a random Plymouth Bulletin laying near my computer. Who/what is that and where can I find more information? Thanks!
Technically I am a member of the Delaware Valley Region. Although.., the meetings are a 2.5 hour drive for me so unfortunately I don't make many. Not an uncommon story..., anyway.
The internet region was a suggestion I made to Mark to allow access to discussion boards within the current forum that could only be accessed by current members of the POC. This is done through the administrative permissions that are created for the discussion category. Members without permissions wouldn't even see these boards when they were logged in. This would keep POC member discussions unencumbered by nonmembers. At the time there were a lot of critiques provided to the board by nonmembers. It's not that I wanted to shy away from the comments I just wanted to know that the discussion comments were being made by actual club members. You can also create a group called "POC Member" rather than "Internet Region Group (Paid $$$)" You could create groups separated by regional membership, etc. Each of these created groups can be granted permissions. You are a tech savvy guy you should understand what I was driving for.
The other purpose was to give people like myself and others who are far from an existing region a place to meet and have a voice in POC club discussions. I don't think Mark understood the concept or how to organize the board properly to accommodate the idea. I even toyed with the idea of actually creating an internet region for disconnected and younger more computer savvy POC members. This might help get them more involved in the club with the possibility to maybe help each other even though they are separated by hundreds of miles. I enjoyed the early P15D24 site and I was influenced by this experience to create the 28Q29U site. After 10 years it's doing well. No ads. Anyway I couldn't make any headway without national buy in. I think the emphasis was put on Facebook. FYI.., I believe there are one or two other Internet Group members I don't know if they are still active on the forum.
BTW.., I highly recommend your site for Plymouth: The First Decade. ... Well Done!!
Best Regards, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on January 29, 2019, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: chetbrz on January 29, 2019, 05:31:39 PM The other purpose was to give people like myself and others who are far from an existing region a place to meet and have a voice in POC club discussions. I don't think Mark understood the concept or how to organize the board properly to accommodate the idea. I even toyed with the idea of actually creating an internet region for disconnected and younger more computer savvy POC members. This might help get them more involved in the club with the possibility to maybe help each other even though they are separated by hundreds of miles. I enjoyed the early P15D24 site and I was influenced by this experience to create the 28Q29U site. After 10 years it's doing well. No ads. Anyway I couldn't make any headway without national buy in. I think the emphasis was put on Facebook. FYI.., I believe there are one or two other Internet Group members I don't know if they are still active on the forum.
BTW.., I highly recommend your site for Plymouth: The First Decade. ... Well Done!! Best Regards, Chet...
Hi Chet, I've only just found this and I think it's brilliant I think it's a great resource and can see many good reasons for having it available, I did try to logon but couldn't. Your detailed page on your P15 interests me as I would like to think I may have one in the future. Access to your manuals would be very useful to me I think it was to top one of you list of Links.
Here in the UK it's too cold to do much bodywork, while the 41 Pickup is ready for paint the temperature isn't so of now I'm working on the upholstery for the cab, once thats done I can always drop back on the full retrim on my 33 PD R/S Coupe. By the way very impressed with the transformation of your P15.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 29, 2019, 06:59:55 PM
Tom the password is exactly that < password > lowercase.
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Post by: twpoulter on April 06, 2019, 03:47:34 PM
Hi Chet, hope it's in order, over on the faceBook page a couple had recently purchased a 30 U and I gave them the link to this page, not sure where they are from but here's her FB page name Debbie Krivoniak Sheetz
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Post by: chetbrz on May 11, 2019, 09:40:29 AM
Tks Tom,
For some reason I am not getting email notifications of new posts from this site. Sorry for the late response.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on June 08, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
Prep for Paint - The Motor Returns
My motor was finally returned to me after some needed rework to the main bearings to facilitate proper oil flow to the crank and connecting rods. Rework was done at no additional charge.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on June 11, 2019, 05:30:37 AM
Hi Chet! Nice to follow Your work! Please: is the Distributor Base custom built in Germany? Who did it and what did they need as data input? Is presenting the original sufficient for them to copy it? I had trouble to find a GOOD gas pump for my 504 Peugeot 4 dr. sedan. Until now, I had 3, none working to my satisfaction... My mechanic calls it "China Junk". Greetings from Düsseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on June 11, 2019, 08:24:34 AM
I purchased the item through eBay. The part fit perfectly.
IBT-Gordon Tismer Ingenieurbüro - Industrieservice Hinter den Höfen 21 D-37359 Büttstedt
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on September 03, 2019, 11:19:58 AM
Prep for Paint - Continued.
It's hard to believe that on October 29, 2019 I will start the fourth year of this project. There is still a lot to be done but getting the car to the paint shop before the extreme cold weather sets in will be a big step toward completion. It seems that the project is dragging but each completed task gets me closer to driving this car again. Like reaching the halfway point in a marathon.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on September 03, 2019, 11:28:49 PM
Thanks for the up-date, Chet. Always enjoy following the work on your Plymouth. Great job, as usual. When this car is finished, you will be able to teach the course on the 1929 U.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: The Other Dr. Z on September 06, 2019, 04:54:29 PM
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Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on September 06, 2019, 05:58:34 PM
10 - 4 Not a Problem
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on September 22, 2019, 12:40:25 PM
Prep for Paint - Continued.
Moving right along for those following my project. All the fenders & misc. parts are in the paint shop.
Fixing loose ends on the body before it has its turn. (Two updates below.)
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted links to the blow by blow descriptions:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on November 08, 2019, 07:35:34 PM
I love reading your updates! Keep them coming!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Bill Davis on November 08, 2019, 11:21:01 PM
I really like the color you picked for the body. Very nice.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on November 09, 2019, 09:52:44 AM
Tks Tod, BTW your website has been very helpful over the years.
Hi Bill,
I have been unsure about the color since I purchased this car in 2006. Finally made up my mind while the car was in the paint shop. The Blue was matched to exposed blue on the car's body and also this is the same color as a 1929 Buick and 1930 Chevy (period color). I think it is closer to Top Gallant Blue. I think Marquette Blue is a much darker Blue.
Info from Tod's website:
Overall Body: Marquette Blue (Top Gallant Blue ?) Beads and molding: Marquette Blue (Top Gallant Blue ?) Fenders & Sheet Metal: Black Stripe: Extra Perm. Vermillion (Top Gallant Blue calls for Swamp Holly Orange Stripe) Another decision. Wood wheels: Marquette Blue (Top Gallant Blue ?) Although Clean Wood might eventually prevail.
I think the Swamp Holly Orange Stripe will really look good with this shade of Blue.
Cheers Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on November 20, 2019, 05:00:33 PM
Reassembly - Electrical Harness :)
With the car safely back from the paint shop I am able to make some serious progress on the reassembly.
Due to the length of this task and the number of pictures I posted a link to the blow by blow description below:
I just replaced the inner cable not the whole unit. For the 29 Plymouth the cable is 0.130" OD and I was able to buy on Amazon for $8.95 and free shipping as a prime member. (Search for .130 speedometer Cable) The cable I purchased has one compressed Hex end and a Hexed key for the transmission which I didn't use. I reused my old transmission key. If you have a 29 or 30U you can buy a 0.130 transmission key from Restoration Supply but you will have to use a piece of 3/16" tubing to convert the key to work with a 0.130 hex cable. You can use BJ weld to mount the key to the cable. I rather do that than seriously crimp the transmission end. This way you might be able to use it again if the need arises.
Use a micrometer to measure the thickness of your cable. I hope this info helps you.
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: DWhited on December 29, 2019, 09:25:44 PM
Thanks for that information. I have a 28 Q and I do have the outer housing but nothing on the inside. So I probably do not have the transmission key, any suggestions on what I need there? I'm assuming the one you speak about for the 29 30 will not work for a 28?
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 30, 2019, 12:36:48 AM
I'm not that familiar with the 28 but you could check the parts reference manual and if the transmission number is the same it would probably work. You could also check the speedometer part numbers to verify the cable size. Do you know if your speedometer works. The pot metal can swell and cause them to bind. That was my problem.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: DWhited on December 30, 2019, 07:53:41 PM
I does appear to be bound and not turning. I'm not sure how the get it out of the dash. I removed the 3 nuts, but its still as solid in place as it was with the nuts on. any suggestions, I don't want to force anything?
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 30, 2019, 08:45:48 PM
It is only held in by the three bolts. You might just need to play with it especially if the dash was painted. If so breaking it free might chip the paint but it should pop out.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 29, 2020, 06:41:04 PM
Reassembly :)
Much has happened since I last posted so here are the links to the blow by blow descriptions:
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on January 29, 2020, 09:33:34 PM
I love following your progress.
Two comments/questions:
1. Have you applied vacuum to your rebuilt vacuum fuel pump? If it does not shut off the valves properly you could have an oil pressure issue on your engine (assuming I recall correctly that Plymouth used the oil pump to provide vacuum for the fuel pump).
2. With all that nice paint and new rubber gaskets, don't be surprised if you have some electrical issues. I had to scrape off paint here and there on my car to get all the lights to work.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on January 30, 2020, 06:02:49 AM
Very nice resultsl
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on January 30, 2020, 10:51:08 AM
1. Have you applied vacuum to your rebuilt vacuum fuel pump? If it does not shut off the valves properly you could have an oil pressure issue on your engine (assuming I recall correctly that Plymouth used the oil pump to provide vacuum for the fuel pump).
2. With all that nice paint and new rubber gaskets, don't be surprised if you have some electrical issues. I had to scrape off paint here and there on my car to get all the lights to work.
Hi Tod, Many thanks for the questions and concerns. I hope the info below is helpful.
In answer to question 1:
The Kingston Vacuum pump contains no check valves. The only float in the assembly works the trap door between the upper tank and the lower tank. You are correct that the vacuum comes from the oil pump and here is where the key point is. The vacuum from the oil pump is relatively consistent or predictable across the rpm spectrum. The Universal Stewart pump works on manifold vacuum which isn't consistent. You know this from your vacuum wipers that stop working when you accelerate. The oil pump provides predictable vacuum. Simply put the pump is in equilibrium with the engine throughout the rpm range. Where issues arise is when there are leaks in the system that reduce the effectiveness of the vacuum or create problems with the delivery of fuel. In most of these cases, fuel falls short. Problems with vacuum leaks can affect oil delivery but would need to be serious to reduce oil pressure. Knowing this, a good eye on oil pressure is essential. I have installed a second modern oil pressure gauge to insure accuracy. No holes or parts were altered to install this gauge which is clamped to the steering column.
In answer to question 2:
Thanks for the heads up on ground continuity. I have taken particular care to insure that there is excellent electrical path to ground where needed. I check with an ohm meter and install additional ground straps where needed. In the case of the rear tail light I have a wire going from frame ground directly to the lamp base (hidden of course). The 29 Plymouth had one main ground strap from passenger frame to the engine. I added a second one on the driver's side frame. This eliminates possible issues because of the rubber motor mounts and also ensures positive ground to both main frame supports. As far as the cowl is concern a Dermel tool can clean the painted contact points to ensure positive continuity at electrical connection points.
BTW, I have about 5 hours of runtime on the engine with the vacuum fuel pump connected and no problems to report. I will monitor this closely and report any issues. So far so good, fingers crossed.
Many thanks for the inquiries they are all very help to the reassembly process. Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on February 22, 2020, 06:49:31 PM
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on February 23, 2020, 09:15:01 AM
Your gas gauge is so charming!! Greetings from Düsseldorf! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on July 08, 2020, 06:36:53 PM
Hi Chet, what along way you've come since my last visit, love your attention to detail. Will be good for another 90 yrs by the time your finished, perhaps by then gas as we know it won't be available. Keep the good work coming.
Tom
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on July 08, 2020, 09:15:20 PM
Hi Tom,
I haven't posted in awhile. I have come a lot further along. Currently working on the interior re-upholstery.
I haven't posted in awhile. I have come a lot further along. Currently working on the interior re-upholstery. Chet...
Hi Chet, think your last comment on your website sums it up "I'm very happy with how this all turned out." Upholstery is very satisfying but boy doesn't it knock hell out of your fingers, my pet hate is making up spring boxes and I'm sure glad when they are finished. Over our covid19 lockdown I made the cushions for my 1934 PE Pickup ( this was away from my workshop from sketches I had made ) what I finished up with was totally wrong, the cab is narrower at the front, what I made was the correct height at the front[ but also wider. added to that the bach cushion is too narrow. Can all be put right but it all extra man hours. Your back seat looks great. Keep up the good work/size] Have a look here when you have some free time. https://ctrestorations.com/ (https://ctrestorations.com/)
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on July 13, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
Hi Tom,
I checked out your site. Very impressive amount of projects. Myself I can't do two at the same time. The amount of time need to locate parts and get the right information to get things done as close to correct as possible is daunting. I have a 48-P15 that I did some years back and I need to get the car repainted. The guy that did the paint is out of business and the paint job blistered. It will have to wait until this 29 is complete. Maybe next spring to strip the body banding and get her back into the paint shop then finish up on some minor details. After that I don't know what I am going to do? When one door closes another one opens ! We'll see.
Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on July 13, 2020, 06:06:57 PM
Don't know why I hadn't noticed your link before Chet mentioned it. Nice site! And I've added it to the links page on my website at https://www.ply33.com/links (https://www.ply33.com/links)
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on July 13, 2020, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: TodFitch link=topic=3428 Don't know why I hadn't noticed your link before Chet mentioned it. Nice site! And I've added it to the links page on my website at https://www.ply33.com/links (https://www.ply33.com/links)
Thanks for your kind comments Tod and also for adding the link on your site.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on July 14, 2020, 06:40:03 PM
Thanks Chet for your kind words, in the past I had posted on several forums but they have their drawbacks, infact it was looking at your site and also Tod's I bit the bullet. When the time comes that I can't enjoy them anymore at least the family will have a record of what they have before them. Take care
Tom
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: 28 Ply.cpe on August 04, 2020, 03:41:36 PM
Hi Chet, been watching you right along. I have a 28 coupe. Would you have somewhere in your files the picture of the front window frame and regulator. I did not take a picture of mine. I do not want to take mine apart just to get the dimensions of the frame and the rectangular pieces on top that the regulator rises the window. I am working on another project . I have to make the frame. Thanks Bill
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on August 04, 2020, 06:00:48 PM
Check your email.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on August 23, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
Link: Exterior - The Roof part I (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2020/10062020.htm)
Link: Exterior - The Roof part II (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/Work_files/2020/10112020.htm)
Chet...
PS... Thanks for all the support over the past 4 years. :)
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on October 11, 2020, 06:37:23 PM
Looks great! I hope you are having a good time out driving it now!
On the '33 the roof insert is covered separately then pressed into the top of the car body. And then the headliner is installed. When I was getting things together it was quite some time between when I got the roof on and when I started work on the interior. You are correct that at speed the roofing material moves around a bit. On mine, especially with the windows open, the top material bulges up when you are at speed. Now that I've got the interior in you don't have any indication that is happening.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on October 11, 2020, 06:56:34 PM
Hi Tod,
Can't wait to get back on the road. I have to bring the car in for a one time state inspection. I hope to get this done over the next week or two.
Now what is going to occupy my time. Might have to find another car that needs some TLC.
Will send a video of a first drive since the restore.
BTW Thanks for all your input. I value your opinion and also thanks for you wonderful website it's been a major source of information for me.
Chet.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on October 12, 2020, 02:23:41 AM
Hallo! Again, I´m impressed by the work You show us! The idea of looking for the next car to do seems perfect! Consider the space You have to store them all- can´t believe You will part off one of Your jewels! Greetings! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: 28 Ply.cpe on October 12, 2020, 07:47:31 AM
That roof came out great Chet. Thanks for the pictures.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on October 12, 2020, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: Go Fleiter on October 12, 2020, 02:23:41 AM Hallo! Again, I´m impressed by the work You show us! The idea of looking for the next car to do seems perfect! Consider the space You have to store them all- can´t believe You will part off one of Your jewels! Greetings! Go
Don't worry Go, the wife has a 4 year old honey-do list that should keep me busy. You are right.., dry space is always a consideration but you never know what might follow you home.
Chet.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on October 21, 2020, 06:38:01 PM
We loaded up the 29 and set out for the DMV inspection station in Georgetown.
We off loaded the car and drove over to the inspection line. I was frantic about the paint color change, should have brought the painting receipt. I worried about pretty much everything you can think of until we pulled into the inspection bay. First stop on the brake machine and passed. Then all the inspectors had to come by to check her out. Mostly concerned with three basic things. Lights, windshield wiper, and vin number. We passed with flying colors, no problems.
After we got home we started out on a test drive but had to turn around because of a scraping sound coming from the front passenger side wheel. Quick check found a loose wheel bearing probably needs replacement over the winter but I tightened it up and we will try again tomorrow.
I guess we are back into maintenance mode. Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on October 22, 2020, 12:55:05 AM
Wonderful to hear you are legally road worthy.
It took a while for me to work out a number of mechanical issues when I got my '33 back together. Just take is slow and close to home for your first few trips while you work out things that are not just quite right.
Worst one for me was missing cotter pin and improperly tightened bolt. My guess, in retrospect, was that I hadn't finished things up in that area because I thought I would be coming back to it for final adjustments. Then forgot over time about needing to go back to double check things and finish it up.
I look forward to some photos and descriptions of nice trips and tours in it. My recollection is that you are in the Mid-Atlantic area. Decades ago I lived in Maryland and recall that there were a good number of nice antique car touring roads, especially when you get into the hills and mountains in the western areas of those states.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on October 23, 2020, 02:13:14 AM
it is amazing to see Your work is resulting in a better-as-new car! I wish You nice weather to make the first trips!! Here, this summer was not very good for us oldie-fans. And no meetings and fairs were possibel. Good luck! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on October 23, 2020, 12:54:35 PM
Thanks Go, for all the good wishes.
Car event activity hasn't happened around here either. Although, a drive is always a good thing to do.
Cheers, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on November 02, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
Hi Chetbrz, that turned out really good, very impressed with the end result, thank you for all the detailed explanations of each major step. Looking forward to getting to the roof insert stage of my PD, I will go the same route as yourself sourcing the materials and give it a go. Good to know you visited my website which met with your approval, just added my Faux Woodgraining section which Tod added to his database some time back. Will keep an eye for your next project once you've finished the Honey List.
Tom
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 13, 2020, 07:14:46 PM
Hi Tod and all,
You wanted a link to a drive so here it is. The king pins are done as well as new bearings and races for the front wheels.
A link to the drive below, 30 miles around the neighborhood. Enjoy, I did...
Link to the Drive click here to download and run. (http://www.1948plymouth.info/1929/images/29DriveVideo.mov)
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: TodFitch on December 13, 2020, 09:15:12 PM
Sounds like it is running very sweetly!
If I recall correctly, you are in the mid-Atlantic area. Lots of really nice back roads for antique car touring in that area, or at least there were back in the 1970s and from the looks of your video there still are.
Non-synchro transmission. :)
My '33 has sliding dog clutches for second and third so it is probably a bit easier to shift than yours. But downshifting can still take a bit of finesse and needs double clutching and a feel for how much to blip the throttle.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Go Fleiter on December 14, 2020, 02:24:02 AM
very nice film! Car + You seem to be very happy! Congratulations! Go
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 14, 2020, 09:20:08 AM
Thanks Go,
You're right Tod. I try to avoid downshifting as much as possible especially downshifting into first gear. Getting better, double clutching and not rushing the shift change is key. That turn was as close to a.180 as you can find. Big change going from a synchronous transmission to straight cut gears. Need to keep your thinking cap on.
Cheers Chet 😊
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: 28 Ply.cpe on December 15, 2020, 11:01:06 AM
It is a great feeling driving a project of years work . You did the best keeping us up to date on your timeline book. Have a long happy motoring future with that Plymouth.
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: chetbrz on December 15, 2020, 11:44:24 AM
Many thanks to all for the comments and support throughout the process of getting this car back on the road.
Thanks again, Chet...
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: Gary Vickery on April 22, 2021, 09:51:58 PM
Way to go Chet! It has been following your build. Fantastic work!
Title: Re: My 1929 U Restoration Thread
Post by: twpoulter on April 27, 2021, 04:33:15 PM
Great story Chet with the icing on the cake A Mini Cruise, I've as yet to drive a crash box other than a time when I was to young to drive. Your be looking for some trophies when things get back to normal. Well done and Thank you. Tom