1934 PE PT was there one?

[twpoulter]

Thanks for your kind comments Doran, always good to know you approve.

[Doran Johnson]

Thanks for posting, Tom.  Very interesting.  I'm always interested in '34 projects.

[twpoulter]

Have cut into the roof quite a bit more than I had hoped, when I say more it's only about 1/4" higher but it is getting close to a joggle in the roof where the gutter moulding gets welded when all the welding and grinding has been carried out to finish the door shut line flow. This first photo is after cutting with tin snips and a final dressing with a file.
Managed to get the first of four pieces welded in position, it's only welded at the front, the back is bolted to the rear of the B pillar at arrow 1 on the next photo, that fixing takes most of the turning moment out of the hinge movement, fixing 2/3 bolt the outer head panel solid to the rest of the roof.
The last photo is with the first of the four panels fixed permanent. might not look a lot but at least it's going forward. 

[twpoulter]

Thanks Bill, am hoping the next set of photos will be with those new section welded in place. Good to know it is of interest.

[Bill Davis]

Great work, Tom.  I always enjoy following your restoration work in
photos and text.

[twpoulter]

Have now started repairing the heads of the door jams, originally the head was two part construction, being an inner and outer skin. probably when new the construction was more complex, the top of the 'B' post was anchored the inner to prevent it from twisting when to door was fully open, it turn that twisting would slowly tear the metal apart where back panel joins the roof sides which was only a spot welded joint and lead loaded to follow the roof line. Have welded a circular patch in the corners where the metal was very thin with the amount of stretching in the panel press shop 84 yrs ago.  Please note the body is up side down to save working over head.

[twpoulter]

Recently been working on a few parts that I can't find from across the pond, this weeks part has been the Pear drop Escatuan plate, then I am hoping to model the outside Door Handle, I say hoping because I am finding running state of the art software a million miles away from old school drafting. 

[twpoulter]

Wow Tom, you are darn good, thanks for sharing

Thank Bob that or a bone-head, don't think there was a PE type skirted rear fender for a truck so just had to make a pair, the fronts are same shape plus the skirt as the PD so it should have the right stance.

[RC Drown]

Wow Tom, you are darn good, thanks for sharing

[twpoulter]

Got a little bit of welding under way today, the rear fenders not sure if there was a PE type fender used on anything in the Chrysler range. This is where I'm at this evening, the last photo is alongside the 33 PD Fender

[twpoulter]

Have been working on the PE after taking a few weeks out doing honey jobs around the house which have been let go. Working on the rear fenders in theory is ok but when your into the metal it bits you where it hurts at every opportunity,  In theory you work with the largest piece of sheet you can manage, then when you have two mating parts scribe a line from one to the other, cut along the line leaving about a tenth of an inch and then cut to the line and the two pieces will fit. Humbug, will post some photos tomorrow provided I remember to take my camera with me.

[twpoulter]

Mystery solved, its the background colour plus the use of a mobile phone camera that's throwing the colour

[twpoulter]

Little bit of a shock this morning, when I looked at the test piece in artificial light I am now a little bewildered and will have to take another trip to my paint man. First photo is as above ,the second is the unexpected development. I wonder if the background colour has anything to do with it.

[TomP]

Have been asked for the paint code on Facebook so here goes

NEXT AUTOCOLOUR
SOLVENT BASE COAT
SUZUKI ZPB MOCO CORAL

[twpoulter]

Have been working for a while trying to find out what the 1934 Flame Cars color was, JB has given me all the information he can which is much appreciated, Carrotte No.3 with all the various tint codes but apart from faded Ditzler color chips referring to InterMix IM1384 could not find anything. From a lead on AACA Forum I found there was also a 1934 DeSoto Carotte by Duponts, bearing in mind we are looking for a limited edition models of some 82 rs ago, with one train of thought being that they were supplied to dealerships as showroom demonstrators having the dealers name and emblems on the mirror glass side windows, the other thought is that police departments used them as unmarked highway cop cars with the advantage of the on way mirror glass side screens.

The Dupont code brought up a decent color chip and although with the now illegal toxic ingredients couldn't be used my paint man was able to mix me an aerosol can for test purposes, this is what we have, only sprayed the cowl vent flap but very pleased with the results.                                                                                                                                     

[twpoulter]

That is very impressive, Tom.  It is a joy to see what a skilled worker can do with sheet metal!

Thank you for your kind words Doran, if not for you sir the journey would have been a lot harder. Just between you and me the project I am mentally working on is a recreated Chrysler Imperial CL Dual Windshield Phaeton,appearancewise original with a few tweaks but with modern running gear. Currently gathering what I can but it's not easy. "Do you have space in your garage"

Thanks again for all your help.

[Doran Johnson]

That is very impressive, Tom.  It is a joy to see what a skilled worker can do with sheet metal!

[twpoulter]

You are a very talented person. I wouldn't even know where to start when it comes to making parts.

Thanks for your comment CHS, don't always start where I should but I love a challenge.

[CHS]

You are a very talented person. I wouldn't even know where to start when it comes to making parts.

[twpoulter]

 Thanks for your kind words Bob and Bill just love retirement always been interested in panel work but the opportunity didn't come my way when I left school, my second choice was to become a draughtsman so I was directed to engineering. Never got to the drawing office and when it was too late I realised it was architecture design not mechanical I should have followed. Sorry to ramble on
The 2 photos are slightly out of order, thanks Photobucket.

Tom

[Bill Davis]

Great job.  Will be following this build-up.
Wish I had some of these skills.

[RC Drown]

Tom you are to be commended on a job well, your craftsmanship is very good and far  better than I could ever accomplish

[twpoulter]

 Little more to keep the interest going.

Made the blister for the top of the dash, not quite correct but there's a lot like that on this build.


New top cowl because the PE has a unique profile to the hood lace line.


Yes it is upside down, it's on a rotisserie


Making up panels to repair the head of the door frame.




The next update will make a lot more sense on this last series of photos, I'm expecting to spend about 300 hrs producing these fenders.

[twpoulter]

July 16 Update

New steel going into this 82 yr old body.













Enjoying myself far too much, wish I had the time years ago.

[twpoulter]

An awful lot of unknowns relating to this truck, we have also touched on it on AACA board, the frame is definitely PE an early one due to the king pins being smaller dia. than the later models. The cab I'm convinced it's 1 1/2 ton Dodge, there are no mounting brackets forward of the firewall, there is no serial plate on the door post but the fixing holes are drilled. Rear fenders look to be 37/38 and the bed has round tubes instead of square on the top rails.

Just something to keep me busy.

Tom

[TodFitch]

A few unknown here,

• Why would someone weld a Buick dash panel in, was there any connection between the 2 brands?



• The hand brake moved to the diff, was that standard on some models?


• Have rested my PD wind-shield surround into the opening, about an inch short on the height but haven't as yet found out what the cab is, I'm thinking 1 1/2 ton Dodge only because of the front fixings to the frame.


• Looking at the size of the cut-out through the cross braces it suggested that at some time a V8 type lump has been installed, these cut-outs are in 4 places ie 1 in each cross brace.

I missed this post when it occurred, probably due to the holiday season and the fact that I was in the middle of moving at the time.

• Buick dash? Well, WP Chrysler was head of Buick at GM for a while before Durant came back into power, but that is the only connection between Plymouth and Buick I can think off.
• I am not aware of a factory car or light truck that had the parking brake on the differential.
• PC and PD coupes and sedans have different windshield heights. Maybe your PD windshield is from a coupe but the truck body started out as a sedan?
• No opinion on the possibility of a V8 once being installed. Looks like an early 1960s firewall mounted master cylinder is on there which implies a number of significant modifications over time.

[twpoulter]

 More work to the frame and suspension

[twpoulter]

Little bit more done between moving my workshop around to make way for a 2 post lift which entailed breaking concrete and digging 2 holes 40" square 15" deep, filling with new concrete then waiting a month to go off.

Lower Belt Line

[twpoulter]

A few unknown here,

• Why would someone weld a Buick dash panel in, was there any connection between the 2 brands?



• The hand brake moved to the diff, was that standard on some models?


• Have rested my PD wind-shield surround into the opening, about an inch short on the height but haven't as yet found out what the cab is, I'm thinking 1 1/2 ton Dodge only because of the front fixings to the frame.


• Looking at the size of the cut-out through the cross braces it suggested that at some time a V8 type lump has been installed, these cut-outs are in 4 places ie 1 in each cross brace.

[twpoulter]

 These were taken early Dec 14 when it arrived at my workshop on a 9 car transporter, to start with I stored it in a neighbours unit there not my surfboards, then it went into a shipping container for a while.

[twpoulter]

 Wind back to May 2014 Max Johnson a member of the FaceBook page posted photos of his late father's Randy Johnson's Pick-up that he wanted to dispose of it for his mom, now I have always liked a mountain to climb, knowing little of what would be involved I contacted Max asking for more photos and information. At the same time independently we both contacted Jim Benjaminson, Jim had known of this truck pre 1986, was it for real or a rodder's dream, I have my own opinion on that but unless Chrysler Historical steps into the 21st century with their record system we will never know. The records are kept a microfiche system which is manually scanned and because of this they are unable to cross reference from engine no. to serial no., the engine no. is clearly visible on the frame but sadly no sign of the vin plate on the door post.

For those who remember reading a similar post before, yes you did but it was lost in the recent crash.

The first set of photos are of what took my eye in the beginning and it's journey to the UK